[RP][OOC] PROJECT PHOENIX - Chapter 1: Cryoburn

[Arcalane]

It's not exactly possible to magically swap people.

That said, I am looking for replacements for Wolfbrother and Verminator.

[BoVinE]

Didn't you know GM's do whatever they want?

[ChaosTheory]

That said, I am looking for replacements for Wolfbrother and Verminator.

Mmm, I'd take it if I get to keep my own character. I rather not to play a gun-slinging hunk of testosterone.

[BoVinE]

Mmm, I'd take it if I get to keep my own character. I rather not to play a gun-slinging hunk of testosterone.

Who needs hormones when you have high gravity and arm knives?

[ChaosTheory]

Mmm, I'd take it if I get to keep my own character. I rather not to play a gun-slinging hunk of testosterone.

Who needs hormones when you have high gravity and arm knives?

Grav situation is probably less than 1 Earth G. Who needs a massive beast body when a small one is smarter, jumps higher, and kills just as fast?

perhaps in space or on the ground.

Strong grav fields on a space station are unlikely. The ambiguity leads to the assumption that it's low-gravity.

At least, I hope that was the correct interpretation of your post. If not, I have no clue what you just said. I also assume you're currently discussing this on IRC, amirite?

[Arcalane]

They already looked outside and saw a desert planet's surface.

[ChaosTheory]

They already looked outside and saw a desert planet's surface.

Point stands, I believe. I said "lower than Earth G", not "space station". A desert planet is likely to be smaller than Earth as well, noting that it would have a thinner atmosphere and all, more like Mars. Not that it particularly matters anyway.

So, the little alien girl. Can she play amongst the testosterone of your pristine desert world?

[BoVinE]

They already looked outside and saw a desert planet's surface. :roll:

Point stands, I believe. I said "lower than Earth G", not "space station". A desert planet is likely to be smaller than Earth as well, noting that it would have a thinner atmosphere and all, more like Mars.

Bullshit. Thinner atmosphere, closer to a star, high CO2 content, near the equator, anything.

[ChaosTheory]

Bullshit. Thinner atmosphere, closer to a star, high CO2 content, near the equator, anything.

Since you are intent on debating a non-issue, I think the evidence I presented is sufficient in light of the fact that you haven't presented anything to support your arbitrary and unrelated comments on the gravitational coefficient of this lovely arid planet. Care to propose any reason why the planet's gravity would be greater than Earth's, which is itself an above-average sized planet for those capable of supporting life within the reasonable future?

[Anna]

I'm sorry, you presented evidence? I saw you making assertions, CT, but I never saw you provide any evidence for these assertions. Maybe you don't know what this word means?

Never minding the fact that we probably won't be on this planet for very long, a strong creature such as BoVinE's character, who is very strong and likely adapted to a high gravity environment, would perform BETTER in a low-grav environment. His movements would be easier, his strength easier for him to bring to bare, and he would also likely be very fast if the gravity is so much lower than what he's used to.

And Arca never said anything to indicate that the gravity is either higher OR lower than 1G. Any significant difference in gravity would be important to know, so he likely would have told us. I'm not sure why you two are arguing this point, but BoVinE offered plenty of good reasons on why there might be a desert outside.

Why do people assume that if a planet has a desert, the entire PLANET must be a desert? Any number of factors could result in a desert-like planet (making the assumption that the whole planet is a desert), and not all of them would result in lower-than-earth gravity.

[ChaosTheory]

I'm sorry, you presented evidence? I saw you making assertions, CT, but I never saw you provide any evidence for these assertions. Maybe you don't know what this word means?

Ahem. Logical reasoning to refute the possibility of a high-gravity planet. Relative to BoVinE's arbitrary assertion, logic makes good evidence. You have, in fact, also unwittingly supported my point in your third paragraph. Furthermore:

They already looked outside and saw a desert planet's surface.

His movements would be easier, his strength easier for him to bring to bare, and he would also likely be very fast if the gravity is so much lower than what he's used to.

And my character would be yet nimbler.

There is nothing worthwhile to debate here. Move it along.

[Anna]

You asserted that the gravity would be less than 1G. You have yet to provide a shred of evidence for this claim. Do so, or shut the hell up, CT. I asserted that the gravity is likely 1G or so close to 1G that it doesn't matter. No, there's no evidence it is GREATER than 1G either, which is why I didn't say there was.

I said your reasoning is bullshit.

Just because it looks like a desert planet outside, doesn't mean it is. Even if it is, a desert planet can be caused from a wide variety of different phenomena and holds almost zero indication of how much gravity the planet will have, or even how large it is. Finally, even if the planet is smaller than Earth, it could also be DENSER, or it could be spinning FASTER, which means it could still have a gravity greater than or equal to Earth's.

The fact is, Arca gave no indication that gravity was lighter or heavier than normal. Therefor, you're full of shit. BoVinE made an assumption, you tried to turn it into an argument and made a firm ASSERTION that the planet had less than 1G. You have no evidence to back up this argument. You were wrong. Accept it and move on.

[ArcaneDude]

I'm sorry, you presented evidence? I saw you making assertions, CT, but I never saw you provide any evidence for these assertions. Maybe you don't know what this word means?

Ahem. Logical reasoning to refute the possibility of a high-gravity planet. Relative to BoVinE's arbitrary assertion, logic makes good evidence.

Ahem.

"The car did not brake, and since the driver was not asleep and had not been drinking, thus most certainly attempting to do so, the brakes must have been sabotaged or broken."

There. Logical reasoning? Yes. Evidence? No. Please, try to keep things for what they are, aye?

Besides, what does athmosphere density have to do with gravity? If the athmosphere was thin, the possiblity of it being a desert planet, or at least partially, is higher, but I don't see how the planet's size, and thus it's gravity, fit into that reasoning?

[ChaosTheory]

You folks seem to have forgotten what you're arguing at the wall over:

Who needs hormones when you have high gravity and arm knives?

Grav situation is probably less than 1 Earth G. Who needs a massive beast body when a small one is smarter, jumps higher, and kills just as fast?
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Strong grav fields on a space station are unlikely. The ambiguity leads to the assumption that it's low-gravity.

The fact is, Arca gave no indication that gravity was lighter or heavier than normal. Therefor, you're full of shit. BoVinE made an assumption, you tried to turn it into an argument and made a firm ASSERTION that the planet had less than 1G. You have no evidence to back up this argument. You were wrong. Accept it and move on.

Right. I totally turned it into an argument. BoVinE made a very random statement about the gravity situation on the planet, and I gave a few points as to why a high-gravity planet is unlikely ("firm assertion" my ass). Most of what you've said has been about what Arca hasn't said about the planet. Ambiguity means we can't say for certain what the gravity is, see the above. YOU are doing your best to turn it into an argument, and I refuse to follow you, because there's nothing concrete to argue over in the first place.

Now, why do you think I'm wrong? Because you're arguing at the air. The wind. You made such a point of trying to tell me I'm wrong that you failed to notice that I'm not really arguing with you or anyone else. I've shown that there is no discernible reason to say the planet has high gravity, and that probability points to a low gravity planet. Are you trying to say I have no evidence? I believe I made it clear that "evidence" is relative here. There is nothing to be wrong on anyway, because nobody knows. Perhaps Arca will make it explicit.

Besides, what does athmosphere density have to do with gravity?

Smaller, lighter planets hold less atmosphere, in most cases. On the other hand, we always have the oddball example of Venus, but that's not a habitable planet.

Drop it, people, don't be trolls.

[Arcalane]

Drop it, people, don't be trolls.

No, you. Get out of my thread.